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Saturday, August 30, 2008

Mindless and Irresponsible

CNNs Paul Begala writes some scorching commentary on Palin and McCain. Begala nails it. I mean let's face it, this was an absurd choice.

CNN: Is McCain out of his mind?
In choosing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his running mate, he is not thinking "outside the box," as some have said. More like out of his mind.

Palin a first-term governor of a state with more reindeer than people, will have to put on a few pounds just to be a lightweight. Her personal story is impressive: former fisherman, mother of five. But that hardly qualifies her to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

For a man who is 72 years old and has had four bouts with cancer to have chosen someone so completely unqualified to become president is shockingly irresponsible.

18 comments:

Glynn Kalara said...

But she's such a great MOM how can u lefties talk ill of her? Sarah will be loved by the I heart Huckabee wingnuts. She's a friggin dominionist in drag folks. She 's a creationist rabidly anti-choice, anti-birth control ( thats obvious) and rapidly for everything and anything BV$Hite.

Jim Sande said...

The more I think about this, the more pissed off I get. WTF is that old idiot thinking. He gets someone with no experience to be Vice President. Are we supposed to feel confident with this.

Glynn Kalara said...

Confident? Strange word to use when thinking about a Repuke don't u think?

Jim Sande said...

People have suggested someone like Snowe of Maine even. At least get somebody with some savvy, but no savvy.

Palin is all for creationism for god's sake.

Unknown said...

I love the no experience comments coming from the anti-Palin crowd. If experience means being able to destroy the dollar and run the US economy into the ground, I'm glad she has no experience. Palin is nearly the last Reaganite left in the Republican party. She is a welcome change to the lame, non-conservatives that the RNC has been offering since Reagan. In the areas where she lack experience there are plenty of advisors to give her guidance. What the country needs is a new direction... and not the direction where Obama wants to lead us. Smaller government, responsible government and "against the establishment" reform is what is needed. People like Palin need to be found and empowered if we ever hope to see real change in our country.

Jim Sande said...

Rampdog writes "If experience means being able to destroy the dollar and run the US economy into the ground, I'm glad she has no experience."

Have you been watching the state of the economy under George W Bush. In case you don't know it - we are presently experiencing possibly the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression of 1929. Your statement suggests that the economy is not destroyed now? Are you serious - do you have a 401K or anything like an investment portfolio? unless you ar a billionaire you are now worth anywhere from 15% to 25% less now than a year ago. In addition the GNP is down way down. We have been on the edge of recession compounded by inflation. All this occurs with the deft GW Bush in place. McCain comes along and as the audacity to say all is great with the economy that we are whiners!! I've seen blinders friend but this is tragic.

Read the news, try the financial section.

Unknown said...

You think GW is a conservative? That is ridiculous. I have no blinders on. The problem facing our nation is that there has been no difference between the Republican and Democratic party over the past 20 years. They are one party who takes turns at controlling power... they are driving us into the ground. Reagan couldn't stand Bush Sr. and I doubt he'd have a like for GW. Neither of them have a conservative bone in their bodies. The are moderate liberals and their policies go hand in hand with the liberals running congress. For 16 years we have seen nothing but bigger govt and a dying economy. Our huge debt is doing as much harm to the dollar as oil prices and what do any of the so-called EXPERIENCED politicians in Washington plan to do about it???

Adn you can't blame GW alone for the economy. Congress has dont just as much damage as Bush. They are afterall constitutionally responsible for spending. The democrats pushed NAFTA and GATT as strongly as any republican.

You think there is a difference in the two parties. What a joke! I see them for what they are... a single monster with two heads that take turns at power. A politician's party means nothing. Only people with individual conviction outside of the party establishment will bring change. The faster we promote people like palin the better. You need to remove the blinders my friend. You say McCain offers more of the same, what do you think Obama's silence offers? He will do exactly what every president since Reagan has done... lead us down the party path. Our country can't afford much more of the typical Republocrats running the show.

Glynn Kalara said...

Palin isn't something different! She's comes out of the religious "dominionist" wingnuttery section of an already crazed party. You m,ight think there is no difference between the D's and the R's but thats because you think Ray-gun was different for some reason? Was he? All he did was spend on GUNS GUNS GUNS. He inflated the Gov't hugely on his watch. You forget that between Ray-Gun and BV$H 1 they left a trillion dollar debt! This after Reagan had the balls to complain about Carters 75 Bil. debt in 1979. Today it's absurd to call BV$H 2 a moderate! What has this man done that is moderate? He's BIG Spending BIG Gov't Conservative maybe even a neo-fascist. As for OBama I hope he taxes the living shit out of the top 5% that over the course of the last 30 yrs. have sent away our jobs and allowed 11 mil. illegals into the country as neo-slaves. These are the true traitors!

Jim Sande said...

Ramdog - are you now trying to tell me that you are voting for McCain because he picked Palin?

Are you aware that McCain's advisers are some of the same neocons that have led Bush around by the nose for the last 8 years.

The list of reasons to not vote for McCain are extraordinary. I'm getting angina thinking about it.

Bush did nothing for America except destroy any aspect of it that he glimpsed at sideways.

You want to continue with that. Spell it out what will Palin do for America. You can't be serious.

Yes there is a difference between the two parties. Just to name one - Supreme Court justices - McCain will pick more Alitos and Scalias. I do not subscribe to the unitary Executive, this is a travesty. All of Bush's signing statements - he is not above the constitution. I am pro-choice. The government does not belong in the business of issuing parking tickets on the female uterus.

Unknown said...

Reagan inflated the military hugely during his watch... one of the legit responsibilities of the federal government. In what ways do you think he hugley inflated government?

By the way Reagan won easily both terms running on a promise to build up the military... it's called a mandate. His democratic congress (6 out of 8 years) was controlling the purse strings. If the nation wanted more military spending, congress probably should've considered cutting in other areas, but instead they chose to increase debt instead.

Obama won't make America great by increasing taxes. Smaller, less intrusive government is what America needs.

Those you refer to as the true traitors are both parties. Both parties pushed NAFTA and GATT... Clinton leading the charge. Both parties are against immigration reform.

Neither Bush has represented American conservatives. Reagan was the last president that did, that's what makes him different.

As for you're religious smears against Palin, you sound like a NAZI talking of Jews. And you call Bush a fascist.

I thought you enlightened libs preached tolerance of differing belief systems?

Unknown said...

sande,

I am pro-choice too, at the state level. If the right to abortion is not a moral issue, then there is no such thing as a moral issue.

As for Bush, you seem to forget that most dems and repubs in congress have backed him along the way. Both parties have a way of forgetting that when it's an election year. Bush represents a failure of American policy at all levels. His attempts and failures contrast with the democrat lack of action and alternatives.

McCain probably won't make a full term... and if so he probably own't run twice. That is a perfect reason to vote for him. Palin has more experience at leadership then Obama. Palin, with her conservative orientation, would make a better president then any of the other three in the contest.

As for supreme court justices, that's never a certain thing. Repubs have made some bad choices during the years. Besides, both parties are soo similar, I doubt if it matters who selects the justices.

Jim Sande said...

rampdog - you are saying that you have nixed Obama and Biden, naturally, that you have nixed McCain, and are now vicariously voting for Palin as president because McCain will not make it beyond 2 years.

This is the beauty of America. The governor of a state whose population is exceeded by the sprawling metropolis of Columbus, Ohio, and who 2 years ago was mayor of a town with the population of 3,000, is now the Presidential hero of the remaining Reagonites. She is the person who will restore order to Washington, rouse the economy, be a fiscal conservative, end partisanship, restore America's good name worldwide, root out the neocons, guide the nation's energy policy, get the terrorists, and be the Commander in Chief of the most advanced military force ever.

Also we know Palin to be pro-life, pro-intelligent design, a nursing mom, and from one of the most politically corrupt states.

I simply don't have your vision.

Unknown said...

sande,

Palin's resume is deeper then Obama's. If half of America thinks Obama is ready to be pres then they certainly should not denounce Palin.

Palin has worked to clean up corruption in politics in AK, this is a verifiable fact. Obama was born from just as corrupt political environment in Chicago. I've seen nothing to make me believe he did anything other then bask in it.

Palin's accomplishments, motivated by her conservative values, include fighting corruption, fighting wasteful gov spending, and the reduction of taxes. Obama has no record to fall back on. Two inactive years in the US Senate does not prove anything about him.

Palin has been actively involved in decreasing American dependence on foreign oil. Obama has only talked about it. He promotes conservation while racing across the world in his private jet.

Palin has a political record and she has worked as Head of State... a small state, but much larger then the state that Obama has headed.

She is already Commander-in-Chief of the AK Nation Guard. Where does Obama derive his experience in that area?

The record shows that Palin is much more qualified then Obama. If you can prove me wrong, please do so... provide facts if possible. I'm tired of the pie in the sky babble we always get from Obama's camp in place of solid facts and evidence.

When you compare Palin and Obama in regards to experience, she smokes him... unless you are holding her sex against her. That would be an odd thing to uncover on a liberal blog.

Jim Sande said...

Here's some things to get you started

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Here's my bottom line for you rampdog. The neoconservatives are the worst movement in American history. The Project for a New American Century was like a group of boyscouts with nuclear weapons. I would encourage you to read their main document Rebuilding America's Defenses.

There is virtually no possibility that the group, many of whom Cheney placed into the highest echelons of US government, that promoted the Iraq War, no possibility that I will support their continuation with McCain. Never will happen, ever. If you take the time to read their document you will find that the people who promoted the Iraq War, advocated for it in the 1990's. This is way before 9-11. If you are a conservative, then you need to know what you have been supporting, so read the thing.

Now you can poo poo this all you want but these are the facts. The neoconservatives promoted the Iraq War, Bush lied vociferously to the American public and utilized the tragedy of 9-11 to involve us in a disastrous war in Iraq. Bush linked the tragedy of 9-11 to Iraq and utilized the previously long standing neoconservative agenda as the blueprint to invade. This is the fact. Bush has been nothing more than a puppet for the neocons, Bush is about as far away from the progressive movement as the Kupier Belt is.

In addition, the neoconservatives advocated for unilateral military action, dissociation from the UN - John Bolton -, the alleged war on terror - the endless war on an amorphous and unidentifiable "enemy", the axis of evil, the unitary executive, the ever growing military budget that now exceeds the rest of the world's entire budget, star wars, cyber wars, basically all war all the time. If you are looking for sanity in US government do not go to the source of insanity in the Bush administration and then expect a different scenario with McCain - Palin.

Some of the neocons call themselves Democrats and this is all for show, this is meaningless. They are old Scoop Jackson ultra hawks. Richard Perle can wave his little Democratic membership in someone's face and it is meaningless.

There is no refutation of the upended disaster of the Bush administration by McCain. Bush you recall was supported for 6 years by arguably the most corrupt rubber stamping Republican congress in American history.

The truth is that the economy is in such a bad state, and the deficit is so high, and the damage in Washington is so severe, that Obama will have his hands tied. This should comfort you. This is the Bush legacy.

McCain will continue with the neoconservatives. Whatever happened to all you conservative guys and your strict upholding of the US Constituition. Where the hell did that go?

Unknown said...

sande,

I'm not a neoconservative and I don't agree with fighting wars for power, the economy or any other reason other then protecting our national defense and upholding international treaty obligations.

As for "Bush Lied", maybe he did, but I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what he lied about.

It has gotten to the point that conspiracy theories are like arseholes, everybody has one. I admit that some of what you say might be true. But the best way to change the current system is to get independent thinkers into positions of power. Both parties are the root cause of the problem. It doesn't matter who is elected, nothing ever changes because the parties won't allow change.

Did the war in Iraq stop when Dems took over congress? Was there even really a serious attempt to stop it? No! We will not see change until the tools of both parties are replaced with individual thinkers. Bush is a tool. Obama is a tool. McCain might be a tool... but Palin has shown every indication that she is not.

If I have to vote for McCain (who is not my choice as a candidate) to lift up a proven reformer such as Palin then I will vote for McCain. Palin has fought for reform on both sides of the isle since entering politics. That's just not true for Obama.

The link you provided is probably not a very good one, if you want to persuade people to vote for Obama. The first part of the page deals with live birth abortions. Your man refused to recognize the survivor of a failed abortion as being human? And he did it for political reasons?

A baby who is removed from its mother and is ALIVE deserves the same rights as any other person in this world. I don't care what it insinuates in regards to abortion rights.

I read the wording of the bill and IMHO it posed no threat to Roe Vs Wade. Any person who would look the other way on an issue that is so obviously immoral and brutal should be scorned not elected to be president.

The deficit is soo high because of the combined actions of both parties. Blaming GW is recognizing only half of the problem. The constitution is clear in regards to who is responsible for federal spending. I'll give you a hint, it's not the president.

Besides the national debt, oil prices and the mortgage crisis are hacking at the economy. Once again, you can thank repubs and dems for the mess. Members of both parties are so far into the pockets of big oil and the banking industry that there is no chance of reform without lifting up independent thinkers like Palin.

There are bad people in politics and they are enable by the parties. Independent thinkers are the answer not tools like Bush and Obama. This is my bottom line.

Jim Sande said...

I fail to see how a person who is pro-life, pro-intelligent design, and has their own personal doubts in respect to global warming, how that person is a free thinker. Just on these three things alone, she sounds a good deal like a right wing Christian fundamentalist in the mold of Huckabee. Nice guy, hey plays bass, sharp as a tap, no way I want him near Washington DC.

Now you're a bright guy, you are pro-choice, not a neo-con, articulate, rightfully suspicious of both parties, have a sense of how our present tragic economic situation arises out of a variety of reasons, you seem to forget that the purse strings were controlled by Republicans for 12 years - 1994 to 2006 - but we will overlook that, now how does a bright thinking person go for Palin of all people as a political savior.

What part of pro-intelligent design indicates to you that there is a mind that is visionary, resourceful, and free thinking. What aspect of "doubts there is global warming," indicates to you that a progressive energy policy is on the horizon. What aspect of supports the Iraq War/occupation indicates to you that a person with such a grand resume as Palin is completely ignorant of the force of the neoconservatives, and consequently would not support their prerogatives.

Why not look at the Green Party, you actually sound like someone from the Greens.

The Democrats failed in 2006 to get over the hump with ending the war in Iraq. You do know that the Senate is presently divided with a slim 1 vote majority to the Democrats. There is not much you can do with 50 or sometimes 51 votes and a veto handed president. The number required is 60.

Your blame the Democratic Congress argument is unbecoming. Congress is not veto proof, surely you know that.

The drag on Washington is George Bush and a slew of regressive Republicans like Inhofe.

Republicans are on the way out. Clearly you must know that as well. If god forbid, McCain wins he will be facing an even more deeply entrenched Democratic House and Senate, also as you know. The possibility of a veto proof Congress is a reality.

Glynn Kalara said...

rampdog your one of these people who really believe Ray-gun was small Gov't Conservative. He was fraud a two bit B- Movie actor playing at his biggest role. Half of the last 4 yrs. he was practically fucking brain dead with Alzheimer's. Ray-Gun was a pitch man for the Military-Industrial-Intell. community. He could have cared less for the public. People like u loved his smiley sunshine in America persona and now try and sell us him as a saint. He left office with the country going into a deep recession as the Stock market tanked and the real estate market also crashed. He buried us in debt and rode off to Santa Barbara as a the rights holy man. Ray-gun and his ilk have damn near destroyed this country and frankly I'm pissed off about it. If you really believe a friggin religious wingnut like Palin now carries the mantle of Ray-gun your as delusional as the rest of your rapidly shrinking party. OBAMA /BIDEN are going to crush McSame and his new trophy wife. get ready for a whooping man. The majority of the people in this country have had it with your brand of politics and the candidates its brought us.

Anonymous said...

The race isn't between Obama and Palin! Obama has been voted with 18+ mil votes in his favor, in his party. His nomination far outweighs Palins appintment.
Palin has been delivered to us with one vote of John McCain!

With McCains stupid move, all VPs should be voted on in their party.
And he says that he puts country before of politics.

Go red the Alaska papers and blogs. She cant even fire anyone without causing a major ethics invertigation. Good choice McCain!